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On 24 January 2013 13:11,  <phi...@sk...> wrote:
>
> Is this available with tv_grab_uk_rt?

As with More Than Movies on Freesat (whose schedule it shares), this
channel is currently unsupported on tv_grab_uk_rt.

If this changes in the future, I'll include details in the channel
updates thread.

Cheers,
Nick

Is this available with tv_grab_uk_rt?

> I've just added a fixup that should revert such episodes to the
> title "Film 2013". Please let me know if it works for you.

Yes coming through as Film 2013.  Thanks.

It looks like the "with Claudia Wilkleman" has been removed from the
title on iPlayer so Film 2013 must now be the official title.

There are weird episode numbers for this series as you get episode 6
being classed as Film 2012 and episode 7 being classed as Film 2013.

I can see why upstream the change to just "Film" made some sense but I
am not sure what to do when it should change to Film 2014?

I also suspect changing to "Film" may mess up the episode numbers even
more especially if upstream they do not adjust for this.

If we leave as it is now I guess it will be caught in missed/upcoming
recordings January 2014 and a fix to Film 2014 can be put into place
then.

> It may be worth posting them to see if others have an opinion on
> whether to rename them (or not).

> Finally, note that it is possible to move a year in a programme's
> title to the subtitle field, rather than losing it entirely. This may
> help to preserve as much metadata as possible whilst keep the
> programme's title consistent over subsequent broadcast years.

The following have been broadcast for 2 or more years:

Big Fat Quiz of the Year 2012
Paddy's 2012 Show and Telly
Charlie Brooker's 2012 Wipe

There are quite a few new ones but not really prime time so I will see
if they get another series this year.

Thanks

On 16 January 2013 00:40, Mike Holden <xm...@mi...> wrote:
> This is a new series showing on "Gold". It is a new series, with
> series 1 and 2 having been made several years ago. Now this new
> series ought to be listed as series 3, but radio times, and
> presumably Gold have decided to package it as series 1. I imagine
> this is because they see it as a "re-imagining", since it's a new
> cast etc.
>
> This is completely screwing up MythTV, as it thinks all the new
> episodes have already been recorded, and is therefore skipping them.

Mike,

This is due to the (conflicting) episode numbering taking precedence,
meaning the other duplicate detection schemes are ignored.

> I've been on radiotimes.com and added a comment that the series
> number is wrong, but I'm not holding my breath that they will change
> anything.

I guess it's unlikely that they will change it, but XMLTV might be
able to help downstream instead.

I remember seeing a similar issue last year (or even before that) with
The Killing - BBC Four were showing the original series and CH4 were
showing the US remake. Both used the same numbering which would cause
the same types of conflict (I only recorded the BBC Four version via a
channel-specific schedule so didn't see any issues).

Without the current availability of unique seriesids for
shows/reimaginings sharing the same title, we're currently at the
mercy of these rare conflicts.

> Is there anything that can be done, therefore, by a fixup in the
> uk_rt feed processing?

I've just put updates through for the first 3 episodes of the new
series airing on Gold. Please poke me on the list with details of the
remaining three episodes in case I fail to add them to the fixups
(although I'm recording the new series so should probably notice).

Let me know if the updates solve the issue.

Cheers,
Nick

On 16/01/2013 00:40, Mike Holden wrote:
> This is a new series showing on "Gold". It is a new series, with
> series 1 and 2 having been made several years ago. Now this new
> series ought to be listed as series 3, but radio times, and
> presumably Gold have decided to package it as series 1. I imagine
> this is because they see it as a "re-imagining", since it's a new
> cast etc.
>
> This is completely screwing up MythTV, as it thinks all the new
> episodes have already been recorded, and is therefore skipping them.
>
> I've been on radiotimes.com and added a comment that the series
> number is wrong, but I'm not holding my breath that they will change
> anything.
>
> Is there anything that can be done, therefore, by a fixup in the
> uk_rt feed processing?

I doubt you will get anywhere with Radio Times and similar regarding 
calling it series 3. They will probably regard it as with the reboot of 
Doctor Who, where it seems to be widely accepted that the series 
renumbering restarted with the Christopher Eccleston series being series 1.

Cheers,

John

-- 
John Veness, MythTV user, UK, DVB-T

This is a new series showing on "Gold". It is a new series, with
series 1 and 2 having been made several years ago. Now this new
series ought to be listed as series 3, but radio times, and
presumably Gold have decided to package it as series 1. I imagine
this is because they see it as a "re-imagining", since it's a new
cast etc.

This is completely screwing up MythTV, as it thinks all the new
episodes have already been recorded, and is therefore skipping them.

I've been on radiotimes.com and added a comment that the series
number is wrong, but I'm not holding my breath that they will change
anything.

Is there anything that can be done, therefore, by a fixup in the
uk_rt feed processing?
-- 
Mike Holden

On 4 January 2013 14:17, nospam312 <nos...@gm...> wrote:
> Dave Ja Vu is back running normal hours now on Freeview (since 3rd Jan
> 13) - no longer a couple of hours in the middle of the night.

Updated broadcast hours to 0800-0400.

Cheers,
Nick

On 4 January 2013 14:20, nospam312 <nos...@gm...> wrote:
> I have been caught out by the Film 2012 With Claudia naming change to
> just Film.

This is an upstream change, not the grabber. I've checked the source
files and episodes of "Film 2013" have been renamed to "Film" with a
subtitle of "Film 2013".

I've just added a fixup that should revert such episodes to the title
"Film 2013". Please let me know if it works for you.

> It makes sense getting rid of the year but is there an easy method of
> seeing what new rules have been added just so you can check if you
> need to change any recording rules for programmes otherwise like me
> you are missing programmes that would be otherwise recorded?

The CVS changelog of the fixups file is probably the easiest way to
see the additions/deletions from the file:

http://xmltv.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/xmltv/xmltv/grab/uk_rt/prog_titles_to_process?view=log

> I have a list of other programmes with years in the title are they
> worth changing also - I can post them if you like?

It may be worth posting them to see if others have an opinion on
whether to rename them (or not).

Two titles that I have removed via fixups that come to mind are the
BBC Springwatch/Autumnwatch series. The grabber's debug output
contains a list of titles containing possible years, so I am usually
aware of which titles could be fixed up.

Finally, note that it is possible to move a year in a programme's
title to the subtitle field, rather than losing it entirely. This may
help to preserve as much metadata as possible whilst keep the
programme's title consistent over subsequent broadcast years.

Cheers,
Nick

I have been caught out by the Film 2012 With Claudia naming change to
just Film.

It makes sense getting rid of the year but is there an easy method of
seeing what new rules have been added just so you can check if you
need to change any recording rules for programmes otherwise like me
you are missing programmes that would be otherwise recorded?

I have a list of other programmes with years in the title are they
worth changing also - I can post them if you like?

Thanks

Dave Ja Vu is back running normal hours now on Freeview (since 3rd Jan
13) - no longer a couple of hours in the middle of the night.

Hopefully new UKTV channel will replace it sometime this month.

Sorry for posting a new thread I couldn't find the usual Channel Line
up changes thread.

Thanks.