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Set Flow and LQT sunsetting timeline and sequence
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Description

This task involves the work of converging on a sequence and timeline in which the Editing Team, in collaboration with volunteers and projects, will undeploy StructuredDiscussions (Flow) and LiquidThreads (LQT). We will use the term "Flow" for both features, unless noted.

Defining the above will enable us to do things like:

  1. Decide whether new Flow-related issues warrant resolution in the time between when they emerge and when Flow will be undeployed?
  2. Coordinate with other teams to ensure the deployment plans they are making are not complicated/put at risk by Flow's deployment state

Undeployment sequence

StepDescriptionCompletion timing: Phase 0 wikisCompletion timing: Phase 1 wikisCompletion timing: Phase 2 wikis
Step #1Write script to automatically move talk pages16 October 2024
Step #2Inform volunteers/communities of deprecation plan (w/ dates)11 October 2024
Step #3Volunteers manually move Flow boards to sub-pages21 October 2024
Step #4Run migration script (T376749)24 October 2024
Step #5Fix any migration issues28 October 2024
Step #6Set all Flow boards to read-only30 October 2024
Step #7Convert content of all archived Flow boards to wikitext (T377051)
Step 8Remove Flow code and related data

See more here: https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVKGsM740=/

Done

  • A plan that includes the following information
    • All of the wikis where Flow/StructuredDiscussions is currently active
    • For each wiki we'll have identified above the dates we're proposing for Flow to be:
      • Set into a read-only state
      • All Flow boards to be moved to sub-pages
      • Flow to be undeployed

Event Timeline

One important step is turn off user talk page Beta Feature for each opted-in users and then disable the Beta Feature permanently.

One important step is turn off user talk page Beta Feature for each opted-in users and then disable the Beta Feature permanently.

Great spot, @Bugreporter. @Trizek-WMF and I will ensure this step is accounted for in the un-deployment sequence.

Thank you for saying something; if any other ideas of this sort emerge, we'd value you sharing them with us!

One important step is turn off user talk page Beta Feature for each opted-in users and then disable the Beta Feature permanently.

It is already covered: T248309: StructuredDiscussions (Flow): Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature) :)

One important step is turn off user talk page Beta Feature for each opted-in users and then disable the Beta Feature permanently.

It is already covered: T248309: StructuredDiscussions (Flow): Prevent users from enabling Flow on their user talk page (beta feature) :)

What I mean is disable for people currently using it in user talk page.

Update

Today, @Trizek-WMF defined three deployment phases (see below). Next, Benoît is going to:

  1. Assign each wiki where Flow is active (T350073) to one of these three un-deployment phases (see below)
  2. Estimate how much time wikis in each un-deployment phase will need for the various steps within the un-deployment sequence (e.g. manually migrating Flow boards to sub-pages, enabling a script to mass-migrate Flow boards that had not been moved manually, etc.)

In parallel, I'll be working with Editing Engineering to estimate the time needed for doing things like writing a migration script, QA'ing said script, and addressing any issues that script surfaces.

Deployment phases
PhaseDefinition
Phase 0: No FlowFlow boards are present on these wikis and Flow is no longer being actively used
Phase 1: Low FlowFlow is used on a long tail of lightly used pages
Phase 2: High FlowFlow is the default discussion system and/or used on high-traffic community pages
Trizek-WMF changed the task status from Open to In Progress.Aug 2 2024, 7:49 AM
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Trizek-WMF renamed this task from Set Flow sunsetting timeline and sequence to Set Flow and LQT sunsetting timeline and sequence.Sep 11 2024, 2:58 PM
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@ppelberg the task title mentions LiquidThreads (related T350164: [Spike] Investigate Undeploying LiquidThreads), but the work here seems specific to Flow. Is there a plan/timeline for LiquidThreads as well?

@ppelberg the task title mentions LiquidThreads (related T350164: [Spike] Investigate Undeploying LiquidThreads), but the work here seems specific to Flow. Is there a plan/timeline for LiquidThreads as well?

I'm on it. :)

Dates regarding Phases 1 and 2 will be discussed with the Editing team on November 13.