Talk:16:9 aspect ratio

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 13:34, 11 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

• 16:9 → 16:9 aspect ratio
• 14:9 → 14:9 aspect ratio
• 16:10 → 16:10 aspect ratio

– Per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, the title should be “a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize.” The current titles aren’t that at all. This move request comes after a failed attempt to move 21:9 aspect ratio to 21:9, during which it was suggested these titles should moved. See here. Calidum 18:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

• Weak oppose. Per WP:CONCISE, titles should be no longer than necessary while still unambiguously identifying the article's subject. Since the terms "16:9", "16:10", "21:9" and "14:9" have no alternative meanings (at least, none that I'm aware of), and no one has demonstrated any actual problems with the current titles vis-à-vis recognisability, there seems to be no reason for the renames. At best, the proposed titles can be added as redirects, as is the case already with 16:9 aspect ratio. Indrek (talk) 20:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • "16:10" certainly does; it's about the time of day I start getting hungry for dinner. Red Slash 17:59, 5 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
• Support. In addition to the fact that the proposed titles are more recognizable (and distinct from common sports scores), article titles should be nouns (WP:NOUN). In the applicable uses here, things like "16:9" and "21:9" are usually adjectives (e.g. "16:9 format," "14:9 cropping") not used alone. Dekimasuよ! 22:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • Good point about WP:NOUN. Although ratios are simply dimensionless quantities, like resolutions, and aren't always used as adjectives. Even the first sentence of this article uses it as a noun: "16:9 is an aspect ratio". Indrek (talk) 19:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
• Support per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. Current title could mean anything. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:44, 4 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
• Support per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and WP:CONSISTENCY (with 21:9 aspect ratio), as per the arguments made in the previous 21:9 aspect ratio move discussion. To me, the current article titles look like they'll be talking about mathematical ratios, not TV and film "aspect ratios". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:24, 4 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
• Support - per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY, nom and previous supports. --Gonnym (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
• Support per prior discussion and comments above. No need for such ambiguous titles. The conciseness claim above, as if we had a criterion of "no longer than necessary while still unambiguously identifying the article's subject" is nonsense; such a criterion does not exist, and even if it did these are still just bare ratios, which are certainly not identifying anything unambiguously. Dicklyon (talk) 04:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
  • The conciseness claim above ... is nonsense; such a criterion does not exist It's the fourth of the five characteristics of a good title listed in WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Indrek (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
    • Slightly misquoted, but yet that "no longer than necessary" bit does tend to persist there, even after all the explanations that that's not what "concise" means. Typical dictionary definition is "giving a lot of information clearly and in a few words; brief but comprehensive" which is really how it should be applied here. The number-only titles do not give much information, and are as far as possible from comprehensive, in addition to being broadly ambiguous. See WP:CONCISE on the same page, where it is explained that "The goal of conciseness is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the subject area." Dicklyon (talk) 15:45, 6 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

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