Talk:Marion Cohen

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Maion Deutch Cohen is an established professor of mathematics with many accomplishments and achievements. Why delete? MathStatWoman

Please see WP:BIO. As I read the article it didn't seem to conform to those guidelines for a notable academic. If she does satisfy those requirements then either explain how here, or even better, in the article, and I'll be glad to remove the delete tag. Brian 19:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)btball[reply]

In the meantime I'll add the {{hangon}} tag to give time for improvement of the article. Thanks, Brian 19:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)btball[reply]

Gazpacho got there first :-) Brian 19:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)btball[reply]

Please note Speedy delete A7 is only for articles that do not assert notability, which this article clearly does. If you believe she is not notable enough, that is a matter for AfD.

To the author: The article needs a lot of cleanup work. Please read the Manual of Style and good luck. Thatcher131 (talk) 19:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I looked into her accomplishments and achievements:

• She has at least two web sites: [1] [2]. I could not find a faculty home page at USIP.
• She published a few papers on probability distributions. One (3 pages) is available from Springer-Verlag. [3] Another has been cited at least once. [4]
• She has written many poems and read them at conferences.
• She has written books on family wellness.
• She has some works to-appear.

I do not see that this person has made significant contributions to any field. I would be inclined toward deletion, should the article be nominated. It should not be WP:PRODed, because clearly the author has a different view. Gazpacho 19:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is one of several created by User:MathStatWoman about what seems to be a related group of friends, colleagues and employers. There is currently an AfD on a similar article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roberta Wenocur. As with that one, the question is whether the academic work meets the appropriate notability guidelines (WP:PROF) or there is some other valid notability, otherwise the content is merely as combination CV/bio. - David Oberst 07:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As I was cleaning up the page I realized it read like a resume, I did a Google search and found that the original article was a direct cut-and-paste from a website. Tagged for speedy delete as a copyright violation posted within the last 48 hours. Brian 16:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)btball[reply]

She has written several books. I found the following titles at the Library of Congress. http://catalog.loc.gov

[ 1 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Limits of miracles : poems about the loss of babies / collected by Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1985

[ 2 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Tuesday nights : writings by women / edited by Marion Cohen & Wemara. 1977

[ 3 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Ambitious sort of grief : a diary of pregnancy & neo-natal loss / by Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1986

[ 4 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Ambitious sort of grief : woman, reproduction, and neo-natal loss / by Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1983

[ 5 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Dirty details : the days and nights of a well spouse / Marion Deutsche Cohen ; foreword by Marty Wyngaarden Krauss. 1996

[ 6 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Flower garden : all about it : the diary of a woman's thoughts after cesarean birth / Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1987

[ 7 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Shadow of an angel : a diary of a subsequent pregnancy following neo-natal loss / by Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1986

[ 8 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- She was born, she died : a collection of poems following the death of an infant / by Marion Cohen ; illustrated by Shari Borum. 1996

[ 9 ] Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Cohen, Marion Deutsche, 1943- Sitting down hug / Marion Deutsche Cohen. 1989

TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 17:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi; this is Marion Cohen (pen name, Marion Deutsche Cohen), and I hope to clarify matters. I had not realized that I was in Wikipedia, and I'm pleased! I do agree that I have not accomplished much noteworthy in the field of mathematics PER SE (having published only six or seven papers many years ago); however, I do believe that I have accomplished other things that are noteworhty and these are elaborated on below (One relates to math.):

As a writer (of poetry and creative non-fiction), I have had an impact on the world, and am well known in appropriate circles:

(A) My writings (books and individual poems and articles; some of the books have been listed, and others are listed below) on pregnancy loss have been cited and quoted extensively, and appreciated by individuals affected by such loss. (Here are two quotes from letters which I received, and of which I am particularly proud, probably more so than the positive reviews of my books: "You helped me more than both my therapist and my support group." "Without you I could never have gone on to have my two sub- sequent children".)

(B) Ditto my writings on chronic illness (of a spouse) and care- caregiving. (My book, "Dirty Details" (Temple University Press) has changed the way many social workers view at-home care givers, and has been supplementary reading in nursing courses and the like. On my website -- www.marioncohen.com -- is posted an as-yet unpublished book, "Cruel and Unusual", a collection of essays (or one gigantic essay...) on the condition of well spouses and suggestions concerning what to do about it, and also a collection of "well spouse poetry" titled "Progressive".

(C) My contribution to the world of mathematics has been my "math poetry", which for me is poetry about the experience of mathematics. This poetry has appeared in both literary and math journals (such as the American Mathematical Monthly), and has been read at math conferences. (This means that it has been appreciated by both non-mathematicians and mathematicians, at various levels.) In particular, this poetry has helped people to view math in a positive light, in particular to realize that math and science are not cool unfeeling unfriendly subjects. I like to think that this poetry helps with the understanding of math iself.

A book of this "math poetry" is about to be published (details below).

The present Wiki article does not mention all of my books. Below are the ones left out:

CROSSING THE EQUAL SIGN, forthcoming, Plain View Press, TX (This is the above-mentioned book of "math poetry".)

EPSILON COUNTRY, The Center for Thanatology Research, NY (poetry about being a well spouse, meaning the spouse of someone chronocically ill and/or disabled)

COUNTING TO ZERO, The Center for Thanatology Research, NY (poetry about miscarriage)

THESE COVERS TO CRAWL UNDER (chapbook), M.A.F. Press, MA (the "solipsist poems")

THE TEMPER TANTRUM BOOK (chapbook), WordWorker, PA

THE WEIRDEST IS THE SPHERE (chapbook), Seven Woods Press, NY (This is my first book of earlier "math poems".)

All together, my published and in-press books number 17, not counting second editions.

I have also made contributions in the area of home-schooling, having contributed many articles and letters to home-schooling journals. I was known throughout the country for these articles and these views.

On the lighter side, I am the world's formost expert on thrift-shopping, having been selected by the new site, thethriftshopper.com, as their first "thrift of the month". (I've written thrifting articles, done workshops, and earned a partial-living selling my thriftings to vintage and consignment shops, but mostly, I'm an enthusiast...) My other "hobbies" are classical piano, singing, and Scrabble. I have four living children, two grandchildren, and a new husband.

I hope that this post helps.

Just weighing in on general principles: It seems to me that Marion Cohen is not notable in mathematics but she has written and published enough books of poetry to deserve an article as a poet. The existing article is very poor. It has many disconnected and insignificant facts but it gives no idea of why Marion Cohen should be in Wikipedia. I'm going to do a trial edit but will someone please do a thorough job on this! Zaslav 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've relisted this article for deletion as a purely procedural action, because the earlier AfD action was closed early with deletion and recreation mess-ups. I hope this time a proper consensus on the article can be reached. Espresso Addict 03:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The result of this AfD discussion was no consensus, so the article is kept by default.  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  07:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, keeping this so-called "article" is a terrible example of contradiction to notability guidelines and community failure. The page in nowhere near the assertion of notability --Futurano (talk) 12:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]