Talk:today
Latest comment: 3 years ago by Backinstadiums in topic adjective (Informal) the present era; up-to-date:
@-sche: I think you should have a look at the noun section. Neither the usex nor the quote really support that POS, imo. --Per utramque cavernam (talk) 10:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm, it seems noun-y enough to me. You can replace it with other nouns or noun phrases (the youth of today → the youth of this generation, the youth of this era, and [grammatically comparable] the man of the hour; today is the day we'll fix it → [grammatically comparable] adventure is the thing I seek), whereas you can't replace it with adverbs: *"the youth of currently".
- Of the lemmings, Century, Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, Oxforddictionaries.com and Dictionary.com all have this as a noun with either two senses ("the current day" and "the current era") or one combo sense, with usexes like "today is Monday", "the events of today".
- The quotation may be misplaced, though.
- @DCDuring, do you (or CGEL) have anything to add here?
- - -sche (discuss) 18:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- CGEL addresses the point very explicitly, criticizing the placement of words like today in the adverb category. IOW, they would have us eliminate the Adverb PoS section at [[today]]. Unlike our practice, CGEL makes a strong distinction between word class ("category") and grammatical function. That nouns (or members of other word classes) of various semantic types have diverse grammatical functions they seem to view as a grammatical matter, not a lexical one. Following are two longish quotes from CGEL (which work I cannot recommend enough for such matters) that deal specifically with today:
- "Reducing the extension of the adverb category
- "In the practice of traditional grammar (as reflected, for example, in the classification of words in dictionaries), the adverb is a miscellaneous or residual category ....
- "In the present grammar we have endeavoured to make the adverb a more coherent category. To this end we have significantly reduced its membership in the following ways:
- [....]
- "Minor changes: pronouns and determinatives
- "We also exclude the following from the adverb category:
- [5] i yesterday, today, tomorrow, tonight [pronouns]
- ii the, this, that, all, any, a little, much, little, enough [determinatives]
- Traditional grammar take the items in [5i] to be nouns in examples like [6i] and adverbs in [6ii-6iii]:
- [6] i Yesterday was the the first day for weeks that it hasn't rained.
- ii They arrived yesterday.
- iii [Their behaviour yesterday] was quite embarrassing.
- There is, however, no need to distinguish the yesterday of [i] and [ii] in terms of category as well as function. There are a considerable number of NPs that can function as adjunct in clause structure...." (page 564)
- "NPs
- "The following nouns are illustrative of those that head temporal location NPs:
- i yesterday today tomorrow tonight Sunday Monday
- ii morning ....." (page 698)
- HTH. DCDuring (talk) 19:46, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- Note that they characterize today as both a noun and a pronoun. The pronoun classification may be because, unlike almost all common nouns, today (and its close relatives) is only exceptionally preceded by a determinative. DCDuring (talk) 20:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
- CGEL addresses the point very explicitly, criticizing the placement of words like today in the adverb category. IOW, they would have us eliminate the Adverb PoS section at [[today]]. Unlike our practice, CGEL makes a strong distinction between word class ("category") and grammatical function. That nouns (or members of other word classes) of various semantic types have diverse grammatical functions they seem to view as a grammatical matter, not a lexical one. Following are two longish quotes from CGEL (which work I cannot recommend enough for such matters) that deal specifically with today:
a fortnight (from) today
[edit]What meaning of today is used in a phrase such as a fortnight today? --Backinstadiums (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
adjective (Informal) the present era; up-to-date:
[edit]adjective (Informal) the present era; up-to-date: the today look in clothing styles. --Backinstadiums (talk) 17:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC)